DubLi.com is an online marketplace that provides reverse auctioning to its customers. Until recently, reverse auctioning was something only used for business sourcing, but now anyone can participate and bid on brand name merchandise at close-out prices. Unlike other auction sites where users try to outbid each other for an item, the point in bidding on DubLi is to find the lowest unique bid, rather than the highest.
There seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding the issue of whether or not DubLi.com is a scam or not. Most of the accusations can be accredited to a few very specific misunderstandings.
First of all, an important thing to notice is that DubLi is not a regular auctioning site. DubLi has auctions that are strategic and serve a “means to an end.” It is also a shopping portal that sells merchandise by sending shoppers to other search engines and merchants online, and makes revenue on “click-through fees” and “revenue-share” frees.
The auctions DubLi provides are called reverse auctions. Where on other websites, the seller is charged a fee to sell an item, with DubLi, the user pays a fee of $.80 to participate in the auction, in which the item’s price is constantly decreasing. Each time someone uses a credit to view the current sale price; the price is reduced by $0.25. The crucial part of this auction style for users to consider is that they have to watch the price of the item closely so that someone else does not snatch up the item and cause the other user to lose the auction, and therefore their credits, but to judge carefully when they believe an item is at a low enough price to be worth bidding on or buying.
This $.80 fee, or DubLi credit, is like having to pay any other membership fee – in return for the credit, the user benefits from access to drastically lowered prices, something DubLi, or any other company could not afford to offer unless they received some sort of compensation beforehand.
DubLi has two different auction styles to participate in: the original DubLi “Unique Bid” and “Xpress” auctioning. The “Xpress” style of buying is most closely related to eBay’s “Buy It Now” button, except the price of the item is constantly decreasing. A pre-determined maximum sale price is listed, and in order to see the current price, you must use a credit. Each time someone uses a credit to view the current sale price, the price is actually reduced by $0.25. If the current price isn’t low enough for your tastes yet, you can wait a while until more buyers have viewed the item, and the price drops further. Anyone can decide to buy the item at any time. With “Xpress” auctioning, DubLi users have recently purchased a $50 iTunes Voucher for $0.25, a Neiman Marcus $500 Gift Certificate for $164.25, and an Apple iPod Shuffle, which was originally $74.99 for $5.00. With the “Unique Bid” auctions, users will be notified if their bid is no longer a unique bid, so they can go to the site and place another bid if they are interested.
One thing is for certain: users who are considering joining the website should research reverse auctions and consider all options before diving into this alternative bidding and shopping style.
Comments on this topic
Occasionally, we get questions from people who read negative comments posted on a couple of Internet sites. These sites allegedly report “scams”, but their real business is delivering advertising to people who visit their site. Their strategy is to post defamatory comments that create controversy and elicit responses (thus driving traffic to the site and boosting ad revenue). The comments they post are consistently inaccurate, irrelevant, out of context, and/or completely fabricated. If you read through all of their posts, they subsequently retract most of their claims (but they rarely remove the original comments, because inflammatory comments drive more traffic than retractions).
So, to paraphrase Mark Twain, the problem is not what people know; the problem is what they know that “just ain’t so.” As Business Associates, most of you already have enough facts and first hand experience with DubLi to discredit the postings on these sites as things that “just ain’t so.” But for those of you who are new, and for those who are seriously considering the opportunity, here are some facts that should help. First, you need to understand DubLi’s business model, because without that understanding, it will be difficult to evaluate the comments in context.
The Business Model
Most people look at dubli.com and think it’s an auction site, in business to sell auction items to customers. This is not really the case. DubLi’s auctions are a strategic “means to an end”, and only a small part of the revenue model. DubLi.com is an early stage shopping portal that aggregates shoppers on its website, and then sells those shoppers to major search engines and online merchants for click-through fees and revenue-share fees. Aggregating and selling online shoppers is an established, multi-billion-dollar industry, led by companies like Google, Amazon and eBay. DubLi is already a player in this industry with its largest customer for ecommerce services being Kelkoo, which is the Yahoo!-owned search engine in Europe. DubLi charges Kelkoo whenever DubLi shoppers click through to Kelkoo or purchase products from Kelkoo affiliated merchants.
The most successful shopping portals have “hooks” to draw traffic to their site. Google’s hook is search; Amazon’s has always been books; eBay’s is auctions. DubLi’s hook is reverse auctions and shopping games (entertainment shopping). DubLi uses reverse auctions and games to drive traffic to dubli.com. In an eBay auction, the seller is charged the auction fee. In a DubLi auction, the bidder is charged the fee with each bid, in the form of a DubLi “credit” that costs 80¢. This auction fee covers DubLi’s cost of acquiring the customer and running the auctions and games, and it also covers the cost of reducing the auction price of the product by 25¢ with each bid, which makes the auctions exciting and drives traffic. In exchange for the 80¢ fee, the customer gets access to discounted prices at dubli.com (in the same way that a Costco member gets access to discounted prices at Costco stores in exchange for the membership fee). The DubLi customer also gets “entertainment” value in watching the price drop, which is critical to the viral growth of the customer base.
DubLi’s strategic focus is on expanding its customer base, because the value of any shopping portal business is directly related to the size of its customer base. DubLi uses a traditional network marketing distribution model to launch its initial customer base in new markets, both because DubLi’s founder has had successful experience in network marketing, and because a network model can create large, loyal, initial customer bases faster and cheaper than advertising-based models. What DubLi gets with its network marketing model is initial customers fast and cheap (without having to raise millions of dollars for each new market launch); what DubLi gives up is a cut of its revenue stream, paid out in commissions to its Business Associates for the life of their customers.
DubLi’s Business Associates are paid commission to create new customer bases and to sponsor new Business Associates (who, in turn, create more new customer bases). Commissions are paid to Associates whenever their registered customers buy credits to participate in dubli.com auctions or whenever their customers generate click-through or revenue-share fees by clicking through to DubLi’s search engine partner. In order to create a new customer base, Business Associates buy DubLi credits in bulk (called “Product Packages”), and then give away the credits to prospective customers to get them to visit the site and try out the auctions. When a new Business Associate buys a Product Package, commission is paid to the recruiting Business Associate, just as if a customer had bought the credits (and that is how Business Associates earn commission from recruiting new Business Associates).
Here are the negative comments that are posted on the Internet (in italics), followed by the facts, along with some answers to frequently asked questions:
1. “DubLi is a de facto pyramid scheme because . . . 97% of its revenue comes from [the sale of Product Packages].” Actually, the percentage of revenue coming from Product Packages is probably higher than that in the U.S. right now; but that just makes it a product launch strategy, not a pyramid scheme. The majority of revenue in any new DubLi market will always come from the sale of Product Packages until the Business Associates have created a base of customers who generate ecommerce revenue (click-throughs, revenue-shares, and credit sales). When that happens, it will signal the end of the launch period for that market and the beginning of the early stage growth period. There is nothing about selling credits to Business Associates to launch new markets that constitutes a pyramid.
2. “If [my] updated estimates are correct, DubLi has made between $8,500 and $12,000 on the 3 games in 1 month . . . How can DubLi sustain itself?” It can’t sustain itself on auction revenue, and no one has ever claimed that it would. The objective of DubLi’s auction unit is not to sell product. It is instead to drive traffic to the portal, while selling as many credits as possible (and ironically, while selling as few items as possible). DubLi is a shopping portal, not an auction house. Its success is measured by the number of shoppers it aggregates and sells. The amount of auction revenue generated is irrelevant and has no bearing on DubLi’s success or sustainability.
3. “DubLi is a pyramid scheme because it sells nothing of value”. Not true, and Yahoo! and its affiliated merchants who pay DubLi each month for its click-through shoppers agree (along with all of the registered DubLi customers who buy credits each month and participate in the auctions). There is no question that businesses and customers alike find DubLi’s products and services valuable and are willing to pay for them month after month. This false comment is nothing more than a “cry pyramid” attempt to drive traffic, and it comes with zero substantiation (because there is none).
4. “DubLi is a Ponzi scheme because it uses new investor dollars to pay returns to earlier investors”. Can’t be true. DubLi does not sell licenses, or investments or securities of any type, and it does not offer “returns” of any sort. It only sells products and services of value, and pays commission to its Business Associates on what is sold. By definition, therefore, it cannot be a Ponzi scheme.
5. “DubLi’s founder, Mike Hansen, has bankrupted four companies”. Not true, and the information posted to allegedly “substantiate” this claim is taken completely out of context. Early in his career, Mike Hansen was a restaurant entrepreneur who co-founded several companies in Denmark. Long after he sold his interest and resigned from management, the subsequent owners and management teams of three of those companies bankrupted them (which is not at all uncommon in the restaurant industry). Although the Danish public records will always show Mr. Hansen linked to those companies as a founder (which is the out-of-context information prominently posted by one site), Mr. Hansen had no involvement in the subsequent management or bankruptcy of those companies. It is true that DubLi’s original corporate entity, DubLi Danmark ApS, was voluntarily liquidated and dissolved when the company acquired a German company and moved its headquarters from Denmark to Germany. Here again, the information posted is presented out-of-context of being an orderly and proper wind up of a corporate entity that was no longer being used. A later post on the same site (by someone not affiliated with the site) provides a list of dates and events that corroborates everything stated here. The site acknowledges the new information and does not dispute its veracity, but continues to leave the out-of-context information displayed as the lead items under the heading of “DubLi Fact Repository” (so that it will continue to create controversy and drive traffic, which makes them money).
6. “DubLi isn’t even registered in the United States”. Incorrect. A simple search reveals that DubLi.com is a registered LLC in the state of Delaware, and DubLi’s U.S. distribution warehouse is located in Phoenix, AZ. The site that posted this ridiculous claim subsequently retracted it.
7. “DubLi doesn’t even register when you compare traffic analysis”. That’s true, but the claim is made out-of-context because the analysis comes from public web metrics companies (like Google or Alexa) who don’t measure traffic that comes through “personal home pages”. Most DubLi customers visit dubli.com via a Business Associate’s individual website link (i.e., dubli.com/xxxxxxx). By their own admission, most web metrics companies do not count what they classify as “personal home pages”, which are treated separately if they can be automatically identified as such from the URLs in question, which is the case with any Business Associate’s dubli.com/xxxxxxx link.
8. “DubLi is a gambling business.” Not true, and the U.S. States’ Attorney offices seem to agree. None have elected to take any action or even object to DubLi’s auctions as “gambling enterprises” or “lotteries”. The people who post negative comments about DubLi in order to drive traffic to their own site can “say” that it’s gambling, but the legal authorities who are responsible for enforcing gambling laws in each state do not agree.
9. “You must send an email to the support team . . .otherwise you miss your chance to get paid. They promise you’ll get commissions, and technically you’ve earned them, but at the last minute (when it should be obvious that you shouldn’t have to do anything to claim the money that is owed to you) they tell you that you didn’t follow the obviously non-standard procedure” This is just another comment made completely out-of-context in an attempt to “cry scam” and create controversy. The procedure mentioned is not “obviously non-standard” as claimed; it is instead the standard procedure for getting payments wire transferred, as posted on the Associates’ back office website. Business Associates must confirm each month (with a simple email to Support) whether or not they want their earned commissions to be wire transferred into their bank accounts on “payday” (which is the 15th of each month). This policy is in place for the benefit of the Associates, because many Associates prefer to let their accounts build to a certain level before paying the wire transfer fees charged by the banks. It is not true that if an Associate fails to notify Support, they “miss [their] chance to get paid”. They only miss the chance to get paid on that particular day. They need only to notify Support to get payment issued immediately. Also, DubLi has never cut commissions, delayed commissions or failed to make commission payments as one anonymous poster claimed. All bank transfers to the U.S. are transcontinental and may take one or two days longer than expected, but this is entirely controlled by bank policy, not by DubLi.
10. DubLi is a private company at this time, and as is customary for a private company, it does not publish its financial reports for the general public.
11. The listing of DubLi shares on any public stock exchange will occur only when the Board of Directors determines that the market is favorable for such an offering.
12. The interview with Dean Mannheimer dated August 2008 contained no misinformation or inaccuracies.
13. DubLi has no connection to Andy Bodowin or TNI, and any innuendo to that effect is false. The writer who likes to name these two in his posts about DubLi has denied that he is implying any connection . . . but he continues to name them.
14. DubLi uses Fedex, UPS and DHL, and has never overcharged for shipping. The comments posted to the contrary (most of which have been retracted) are fabrications and can be easily verified as such by checking any of the above carriers’ price lists.
15. DubLi customers are never overcharged for products that are purchased or won on the auctions. The comments posted about “paying double at the checkout” stem from the poster’s lack of understanding of how the auctions work. This comment was subsequently withdrawn by the poster, who admitted that he was wrong.
16. There are numerous erroneous comments posted about the cost of Product Packages to Business Associates, most of which have been subsequently retracted (but most of which remain posted on the site). The errors range from simple math inaccuracies to a complete lack of understanding of what is being charged and to whom.
Bottom line, DubLi is a complex business that combines a customer-focused shopping portal with a network marketing distribution model. That combination gives Business Associates the rare opportunity to earn an ongoing cut of the revenue stream in an emerging Internet company; a benefit that is normally available only to equity holders and venture investors.
As for comments posted on the Internet about DubLi, please consider the source (and the source’s underlying motivation) before you attribute any credibility to the comment. Also, if you read something not covered here that appears to raise a red flag, please ask about it . . . you’ll find that, most often, it “just ain’t so.”
Network marketing has and always will receive flack from people terming it a “scam” or “pyramid”. That is ok! People are entitled to their opinions. I have found that 99.99% of the time these statements are backed by zero substance, as they purely rely on the opinions of others. Sure, the blue collar 9 to 5 in most eyes is the prudent way to make a living. I cannot reject that belief, as millions rely on their guaranteed check and retirement to survive this difficult world. I respect the diligent minded. The entrepreneur mentality is not for everyone! But the network marketing business model offers a unique chance to supplement or replace your income. Just because it’s structured MLM, doesn’t make it illegal. Yes, there are pyramid schemes out there, but don’t blanket them all under one umbrella to prove your points; it only makes you sound ignorant, and de-edifies your position.
Personally, I think eaglescout is feeding off the energy behind the DubLi exposure. I have seen it happen so many times when a company is getting attention, the first to the plate to create a devil advocate forum wins. They all of a sudden become a leading authority in the industry, and their word is the “final say”. Be careful leaning on just the negative, because you can cheat yourself out of some really valuable opportunities. As with anything in the world, if you want to find negative, you will find it – guaranteed! If you find the most reputable network marketing companies in the world that represent the crème de le crème, I promise you they are spun as scams in different forums. Someone will craft a great argument and develop fabricated points to create a frenzy of negativity. Nobody really knows the agenda by the person who becomes the authority in a forum like this. exe – eaglescout. They will always make it appear they are in the best interest of the consumer.
As for DubLi! I don’t have a crystal ball! Nor do I claim to be a MLM prophet as implied by eaglescout. I would like to know what eaglescouts personal business accomplishments have been. I want your credibility to come to light. You are always retracting peoples comments by “show me your research”. You boldly make statements out loud in here, which have been proven to be false, as I posted above. Of course it’s coming from the company itself, but now it’s on you to prove otherwise. Why would anyone listen at that point if indeed you were completely wrong? Sure, some points being thrown out cause discomfort, especially if you are considering doing DubLi. But with any company, there will be the pros and cons. If you don’t truly know the business plan for the future, it’s easy to speculate right now and open up the can of worms to all the potential scenarios. Value to the customer will always be the main priority in a business model like DubLi. I would wholeheartedly agree! It’s the product, so value is necessary. But, what if DubLi consistently evolves the value to the end consumer, and ultimately transforms into an empire – with huge value across the board? This is the business plan “unknown” everyone must consider. Would you be disappointed to think a blog steered you away from it. Because one person made some bold statements that people hung their hopes on.
Seriously people, if your research ends with your conclusion from what you read in a blog, I pity you. That is not diligent, that is lazy! Sure, DubLi is in its infancy right now, and has some holes, but to blanket it as a ponzi or scam because eaglescout says so, is naïve. I personally feel the objectives are in place, and info I receive from “credible” people lean towards my instinct that DubLi will become a great company. Rival ebay? I am not going that far yet, but time will tell. In my opinion with listening to eaglescout, you need to be careful! But as I prefaced you, it’s only my opinion…And he is surely entitled to his!
First, who here on this site has personally spent time with CEO Michael Hansen? Actually met him and been in meetings with him for days….?
I have.
Who here knows what the big picture and the vision of Dubli is? The reverse auction site is maybe 10% of what Dubli will be over the next 36 months. Slamming the idea of an auction site where aquiring the customers to drive down the price has not even occured yet, is a gun shot reaction without doing the homework to understand how this company is being launched.
Does anyone here know how MCI or Sprint the phone companies launched?
I do. Google it. Sprint, MCI, and MLM.
I personally dont like typical MLM but that is why I love Dubli, it is customer based not forced distribution through some stupid autoship scheme where the biz peeps are the customers…..very very weak biz model indeed for long term income.
Who here knows what Dublimarketplace is?
I do.
You will after April 2009.
Companies like Southwest Airlines, Best Buy,Macys and 500ish other major firms will be joining the Dubli concept. This is not a hope or a wish, it is reality. This concept covers about 25% of what Dubli really is after April……
Who here knows how deep the pockets are of the worldwide investors of this Global Trading Portal are?
I do.
Oil tycoons, Bankers, investors, Realestate moguls.
Who knows what assests they have, how they were aquired and where the idea of a worldwide online trading portal came from?
I do.
Lets just say money is not an issue. Dubli is not going away anytime soon.
Who here is aware of the Corp kick off event and Press Release in April where billionare bankers, Investors and entertainers such as Jordan Sparks from American Idol will be performing to let USA know what Dubli is?
I am.
Who here has done real homework by getting on planes, leaving their families for days, to meeting with the leaders to get the real answers to serious questions?
I have.
I have enough facts about Dubli to tell you it is real, it will be a monster and in 6 months from now these same people that say companies like Dubli is a scam come from the same group that said MonaVie was a scam. If I were to post every last detail or fact of proof, the editors of this post just delete it as they have done in the past to me. I do not waste my time trying to convince people that profit in negative arenas like this but write all this to show a sense of reality to those that found themselves here in this bathroom stall on the net and might be on the fence about Dubli.
Ever hear of the Firm Grimes and Reese?
The same Attorney for MonaVie is the same Attorney for Dubli.
Google them. They are no joke and they are not cheap.
Companies like this oversee things like Comp plans and operating policies and procedures to ensure success with the FTC without breaking laws and being shut down like many new companies have been. IF Grimes and Reese dont like something Dubli is doing, Dubli changes their plan, plain and simple.
Spencer Reese is no joke.
Have you ever started a company and had to make changes during its creation?
I have. (many many times)
The same company McDonalds and 24Hr fitness hired to protect them against false claims made on trash can bathroom sites like this has also been hired by Dubli.
I could go on for hours but at the end of the day we walk the walk and dont just talk the talk.
We meet with literally hundreds of people every week and educate them on what is going to happen and what the vision of Dubli is.
I dont take applications or try to persuade anyone to do anything. I merely present the facts in appointment only meetings and 80-90% of anyone that sees and hears the truth gets involved. Some as a side investment, some as a part time job like me, and some– all day full time.
To make it very very simple, Dubli will be kinda like a mix between Ebay, Amazon, and Facebook. Analogy- Dubli will be to “Buy” what Google is to “Search”. Mom and pop shops will go away to some extent as online shopping is booming. (sad but true as I also own a mom and pop shop in OC) But to deny this reality is just stupid.
When the company officially launches to aquire the customers in April 2009, everyone will know, the question is do you want to be in front of that wave or behind it?
The excitement for the Auction site will totally change when literally millions of people check it out. Imagine 1000 people out of curiosity click a dubli credit to check a price of an iphone worth 400 dollars, thereby lowering the price by 250 dollars (1000 X .25 cents) and then some dude spends .80 cents to see the price with a real intent to buy it (not just curiosity of what the price is per say) and sees it is now at 150 bucks and hits the buy button! He gets an iphone for $150.80, brand new, in a box with a warrantee! DO you think he will tell 5 people? (virally spreading marketing) Dubli then gives him FREE Credits for sharing his experience and people in the biz get paid! He can use the credits to find the lowest price on 500 major stores in the blink of an eye when the dubli marketplace is launched and when he buys a drill from HomeDepot I get paid…..he also gets more free credits for buying through Dubli, kind of like points on a CC. The technology will be in his phone and the purchase can be made from there and shipped to his house!
Very good dream team I couldn’t have said it
better myself!
Insidious, first- sweet name,
Dubli is great now, and later. Dubli is like knowing what your gonna get for xmas but have to wait to open it up. Getting paid 25k for 8 weeks of part time work hardly constitutes as “just not anytime soon” for me. There is no better time than NOW to make this happen. Exponential Growth my friend, exponential profit.
In the short time I’ve known about DubLi, I have been repeatedly impressed by the way this company has anticipated needs and challenges, and taken action to prepare for them. That preparation includes making sure that everything the company does is legal and won’t be challenged in court. One second of common sense would suggest that if there were a risk of breaking ANY laws, a company that spent a fortune introducing a business to the USA probably had the foresight to pay attorneys to make sure they weren’t breaking any laws – which DubLi did, hiring Grimes & Reese (http://www.mlmlaw.com/), a top law firm, which is explained on page 18-19 of the latest DubLi magazine (PDF at http://www.yourdubliworld.com).
Besides hiring a top law firm, here are some other things to consider to make sure the DubLi business is solid and long-term:
Dr. Charles King, Ph.D., Harvard-educated marketing professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC, listed under “King” and also in the Faculty Directory PDF at http://www.uic.edu/cba/Documents/Faculty_listing.pdf), who teaches network marketing to University students and is author of the book “The New Professionals,” has made an intense study of the network marketing industry, and he is the co-founder of “The DubLi Academy,” a training program where DubLi licensees learn how to build a successful business, free of charge. The back cover of his book describes him: “Charles W. King received his doctorate in business administration from Harvard and is currently a professor of marketing at the University of Illinois in Chicago. He is involved in extensive, ongoing research on network marketing and distributor operations.” If DubLi were unstable or a potential scam, Dr. King certainly would not have associated his name and reputation with the company. He’d lose all credibility if DubLi is deemed to be illegal.
I have been approached by a couple of individuals in Dubli, and have heard various positives regarding the business from them – however biased. They expressed to me that Dubli stock is available to business partners that join, and that the stock is available only to business partners at this point.
A couple of the guys that I know personally who are involved in this have shown me that they are making legitimate income on a regular basis. I was curious to know if you guys who have done research on the company have any insights into the stock that is available currently to business partners, as well as any information on how these guys could be making such good money if the website has so little trafic as you’ve mentioned?
I know the argument has been stated above that the money is made off of “scamming” other people into signing up, but the majority of the money these guys have made is from customers who are using the auction site, as they have very few “business partners” they have signed up.
I am considering Dubli, although I do have many reservations about it currently, but I wanted more information.
I would appreciate a serious reply, not a sarcastic and judgmental reply…I understand that pretty much everyone commenting on Dubli is biased against it on this site, but that is why I am asking you for information…I want to know the good and the bad.
Thanks.
I don’t see why everyone thinks DubLi is a scam – sure there are people I’m sure who have spent too much money trying to win auctions that they should have given up on, but that’s not DubLi’s fault in any way. People have to be accountable for their own actions.
hmmm…while you guys were delving into this whirlpool of misinformation… I’ve jumped to almost 100 business associates on a couple of months, and can’t wait till next month.
I am very glad I went to Scottsdale…I have never seen something that has so much value to the end line consumer… they will love it. Why pay more? Most will agree, less is where it is at. You can pay whatever you want for the things you need to buy… you have that right. I will have hundreds of thousands of customers that I get paid on who simply love it…it is imminent.
Psst… the average family who shops the DubLi portal will not only save a lot of money… they will have Cold hard cash transferred to a debit card… 30, 50, 100 bucks a month.
Do your normal every day shopping..
Go to ATM…
get cash…
do it again…
No brainer in my book.
1) Look at the facts (not the stuff on this site).
2) Jump in..
3) Reap the rewards!
I’ve been pretty successful on DubLi so far – sure I can see how you could get carried away, but if you bid carefully you can win great merch!
I have been reading the comment exchanges over this blog the past few months and have decided to talk on the subject of network marketing and Dubli. I do have an understanding of the profession so I would like to give my oppinion for what its worth. I have reasearched many MLM’s (including Dubli) and can say I do have a strong opinion of the Dubli model.
Were going to change the industry! Let’s face it…..how many times have we heard that over the course of our lives? Right now many companies are taunting that they are going to change the game. Few of them will. They need to make that statement because the way they have been doing it isn’t working any longer.
Some companies believe their products are so different that it will change the game. They are using the same distribution method of traditional network marketing (everyone becomes their own customer and teaches everyone to be their own customer) using a binary plan (which have proven over time to fail). Same game – new product story until the next new better vitamin, juice or nutritional super pill comes along.
Other companies believe they have technology that will change the world with a new enhanced forced compensation plan. Technology that has not been proven going against multi-billion dollar players with a program you have to pay every month to get paid. It is OK everyone knows the majority of that money gets paid out to everybody else. That game has been around for a long time–nothing new. Others believe you can take products that have not done well, a compensation plan at best mediocre and put a big name in front of the company with a good story and that is going to change the game. Are you kidding? Sooner or later, the product has to stand out. Hold on in most MLM’s it doesn’t – the product doesn’t matter. We are all following the leader, who will eventually say thank you and move on. History has proven that.
What all of these companies are saying is we can take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd base and we will make them round instead of square. Now it is not baseball, it is a better game than baseball. No, it is still baseball just with round bases instead of square.
All of the companies I have researched are attempting to change the game using the same model (with a new twist) that is no longer working. Each of them still believe that everyone should be their own customer, everyone should be a distributor and everyone needs their products. As long as everyone in the downline just buys their $150 a month worth of products, everyone will make money. How has that been working so far?
As much as they say they are changing the game, you are still trying to convince people to use your new improved super duper mega power whatever. That is the same game. That is the “baseball”. You change the shape of the bases any way you want, it is still “baseball”.
Change is inevitable. You can either participate or watch it happen. Either way is OK but it will happen.
From my reasearch I do not believe that Dubli will change the game either. I DO believe that Dubli is aware and sees the changes occurring and as we speak are positioning themselves to be at the forefront of those changes.
Dubli understands like any other business (except network marketing models) they NEED CUSTOMERS not hundreds of thousand of associates. They also understand they need products that everyday people use and buy. Hence the shopping portal and from what I have seen some pretty attractive items on the auctions.
Dubli does understand the revaluation of value that is occurring globally. If you look at what Dubli is doing they are combining the most powerful distribution channel (the internet) with the most powerful marketing (social networking) to capture what is already occurring with or without Dubli thus providing the people who chose to build a business with them a tremendous opportunity to be at the forefront of the next evolution of business not revolution. It will be revolutionary in network marketing because it has not been done before.
Every business takes time to build, I know I have built 2 succesful traditional businesses in my lifetime. You can believe it or not, in my opinion, given time this is the model that will change the way people look at and partcipate in the networking industry.
With this being said, I donot have the time or am I much for blogging so this is probably the last you will hear from me, however for what it’s worth I thought I would share some of the things and give you an opinion on what I found out within the past few months on the model.
I just found this info from http://www.yourdubliworld.com
In 2003 Michael Hansen came up with the concept of the Dubli platform and the DubLi Reverse Auctions. Michael purchased the Technical Division from eBay’s Berlin office in late 2003 and they began putting together the infrastructure of Dubli. They spent the next 3 years building out the back end of DubLi and launched a beta site, in Germany only, in early 2007 with the Express Auction, the Zero Auction and the Unique Bid Auction.
The programmers spent the next several months debugging the Dubli Auction site and went live in January 2008 in 28 countries in Europe. In their first 8 months of operation in Europe Dubli acquired 2.3 million customers, and now, according to the corporate web site, have a customer to associate ratio of 72 to 1. After operating for nearly 16 months in Europe, the unique bid auction is by far the most popular auction with the nearly 4 million customer base.
Dubli officially launched in North American on April 4th 2009, and just announced in late August that the reverse auctions will be operating on a Global Basis beginning in November 2009. In addition there have been several key developments that will play a major role in the growth of DubLi as it expands around the globe. A few of these announcements are listed below.
* DubLi just announced a $1 million bonus (yes, one million dollars) to anyone who reaches the top rank by the end of 2010.
* The Back Street Boys just set up a partnership site with DubLi to run a charity through the DubLi auction site.
* DubLi just announced they will become a public company via a merger with MediaNet Group, a company with which they already conduct business: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/MediaNet-Group-Technologies-iw-443227964.html?x=0&.v=1
I won an iTunes voucher for really cheap! You just have to know how to play the game
It doesn’t get any better than this! Well, it really will?
And the most genius part of all of this is how company pays for all its products while you are bidding on them. You see, every 25 cents that you bid actually pays for the item on the company’s end so they never loose any money on the actual cost of an item. Thus making both parties win. The company gets paid in full, and you can win items for virtually nothing!
Since you are already interested in the company, I’m going to assume you are already pretty internet savvy and have some good idea about what’s hot and whats not online right now. As you know, we are living in the age of Web 2.0 at the time of this writing and Social Media sites and web development have never been easier to put your specific opportunity in front of millions of people every single day on those websites like Google, Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube just to name a few. There are literally thousands of different social media sites that you can target and receive massive exposure to your business. Even this blog! So if you are currently looking at getting involved with the company or are already involved and want to take your business to that next level. Their marketing is what you have no choice but to learn and master down to a science. Join me and try the reverse auctions on me. Let me know and I’ll give you 10 free cre*dits to do so.
http://www.Dubli.com
http://www.DubliNetwork.com
http://www.DubLiPartner.com
That was all I needed to make a decision after reading some of this stuff…it spoke for itself.
DubLi offers a value based proposition to every customer…period. People love to pay less, and many times pay much much less. That is exciting!
Get back with the person who told you about Dubli.
I’m glad I did.
I just want to share the information that has been given to me about the future of Dubli.
November 2009, DubLi will become the worlds first Online Shopping Global Platform (eBay & Amazon has not done this)
- each Country will have 150 basic products on the Auctions (necessity type products), 300 will be added to each country that has leaders
2nd Quarter 2010, DubLi will add more languags to the dubli.com and dublinetwork.com site which currently have 4 languages
September 2009, DubLi will be opening an actual office in Miami
September 2009, there will be an updated dubli.com Shopping Site (featuring the Xpress, Unique Bid and Shopping Mall site)
November 2009, DubLi will launch in the Pacific Rim
September 2009, DubLi will launch in Australia & New Zealand
September 2009, DubLi will open the “DubLi Academy”, it will be a virtual academy with a structured education for all BA’s
The DubLi Landing Page video will be available in Spanish & German next week
More products being added to the Unique Bid at the end of August
How a Global Online Shopping Platform will help the USA & all new countries being launched going forward.
1) The Global platform will allow a customer in Japan to bid/check the price on the same item on auction as a customer in California.
2) Obviosuly, prices of products on Auction will go down much much faster since ALL customers worldwide will be using the same shopping site. The USA customer base will grow much faster due to all new customers finding low price after low price, same goes for all new countries going forward such as Australia, Pacific Rim & South America
3) In the USA today we have over 420,000 customer and about 3 million customers in Europe. (with a much higher % of customers in Europe shopping on the site on a weekly basis). If the transition was done today, our customers would be bidding against almost 3.5 million more active customers instead of just the current U.S. customer base.
4) The amount of products on the Unique bid and Express auction in the U.S. will go up dramtically since the Global consumer base calls for it. As well we will see an increase of more high ticket items added to the site (more cars etc….)
Key Points about The DubLi Academy that goes live September 2009
1) The structured education- Will provide specific training to each BA depending on their rank with DubLi.
2) After each training, there is a Test that must be passed to move on to the next level
-this will help ensure ALL BA’s are being trained properly
3) A worksheet is provided to make sure each Business Associate is reaching out to their entire Network of friends, family member, co-workers etc….
Key Points about the DubLi Office opening in Miami September 2009
1) There will be a phone line the BA’s, Partners and customers can call in to instead of only being able to use the Support Ticketing system
2) We will be dealing with a Support Staff thats first language is English
3) Of course, having an actual office in America will help answer the question from current & prospective BA’s/Customers about where DubLi is located in the U.S.
In order to raise Public awareness for DubLi throughout the world, DubLi will go Public in the next 18 months.
(Going Public is the best marketing/advertising available)
I hope that all this information is accurate. Thank you all for your time.
That information is all really helpful! I’m so glad someone is putting some valid, sourced information out finally, it really helps in understanding everything that’s going on with this dubli deal.
i agree. DubLi doesn’t look like a scam – as far as just the shopping goes. I’ll admit, I probably won’t become a business associate, but who cares! I can still participate in the auctions, which is what I’m really looking for in the first place. I have a job, I don’t need one with DubLi.
I’ve never had a problem with the auctions, and I’ve never spent more than I intended!
I read this website that talked about DubLi and gambling, and it makes a lot of sense:
Gambling Generally:
In order for a given transaction to be identified as gambling, three distinct elements must be present together: consideration, chance, and prize.
Consideration: In contract law generally, the term “consideration” may mean practically anything of value, including giving up the right to some future act or obligation. In American gambling law however, consideration means money. This money must be risked. That is the player gets nothing else for his money but the opportunity to win a prize, determined by chance. Just as importantly he stands to lose that money permanently for no gain, goods or services in return.
Standard Auction Model: In a traditional auction “consideration” in the gambling sense does not exist. The highest bidder gains the right to buy the item(s) on offer. So long as he can actually pay, the matter is resolved. The same is obviously true of the “ordinary” reverse auction.
Dubli Auction Models: On the one hand a participant expends one credit merely for the chance to check the price. From this point of view it may be said that he is not actually purchasing any chances to buy. On the other hand, each time the price of the item on offer is checked in the “Xpress” and “Zero” models, the act of checking forces the price down $0.25. In the “Unique-bid” auction, a participant must also expend one credit to make his bid. In that sense, and because the credits once utilized to make a bid or price check are not refunded, it is clear that the participants purchase the means to affect, or at least enter, the contest. Therefore the element of consideration is present in all versions of the Dubli online auctions.
Chance: There is some element of chance in everything human beings do. For the purposes of U.S. gambling law, however, “chance” means that a given event is resolved, in regard to all participants at the time, by a common random occurrence which is not under the control of any participant. To give an example, if John and Joe play chess against each other, the element of chance is minimized if not eliminated. All things being equal, the game will be won by the player with the most knowledge of the game and the best moves. Chess is a skill game. But if, one the other hand, they both purchase a lottery ticket, skill has nothing to do with the outcome. Either a given number is picked or it isn’t. This is pure chance.
Additionally it makes a large difference whether the bettor is a participant. To take the chess example above, it is not gambling if John and Joe agree that the loser of the chess games must pay the winner $10. The conduct of game is under the control of the two participants. However, if two onlookers, Sarah and Sue, bet on which man will win the chess game, that is gambling, because the outcome of the game is not under the control of either woman.
In the case of Dubli, the element of chance does not rise to the level required to categorize the activity as “gambling”.
In the “Xpress” and “Zero” models, the resolution of the event is not dependent upon some random occurrence, but only on the conduct of the participants. The price of a given item on offer is decreased only by the actions of the participants. If, for some reason, none of the participants decided to check/decrease the price of the item, that price would remain static unless and until one or more of the participants chose to act. In fact, if no one chooses to bid on a given item, nothing happens at all.
“Unique Bid” is very much in the same vein. That is, a participant’s success in placing a “unique bid” does not depend on anything outside the efforts of the respective participants. Two or more participants may offer bids at the same price, but this is not caused by any random agency. This coincidence (once again, barring collusion) would be the result of the respective participants’ independent decisions, just as various runners’ independent decisions to run a little faster or hold back in a race may lead to different- but not random results.
The element of chance, as understood in American gambling law, is minimal to nonexistent. While the outcome of any given reverse auction is not solely under the control of any one participant, the actions of the respective participants are the only inputs to the final result. There is no random dispositive influence acting outside participatory control.
Prize: The definition of “prize” is essentially anything of value. Since obtaining valuable items such as iPods at a reduced price is the whole point of participating in Dubli’s reverse auctions, the element of price is obviously present.
since the element of chance, as understood in gambling law, is not present in the Dubli auctions, these auctions cannot be considered either games of chance or lotteries.
I found this info on their site about how they work:
WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY TO SEE A PRICETAG?
* Do you use a Shopping Search Engine? If so:
1. Find your lowest price.
2. Did you save $10 to $20?
3. Is the item offered in a Dubli auction?
4. Is it worth 80cents (80cents for a DubLi credit) to see if you can save another 20%, 30% or more?
* Costco: Started in 1983; by the end of 1989, its sixth year: “Costco became the first company ever to grow from zero to $3 billion in sales in less than six years.” Today, CostCo has: 50+ Million customers, $64 Billion total sales annually. “$50 annual membership fee includes one household card”: $50 x 50 million customers = $2.5 billion, before anyone buys anything in the store!
DUBLI’S COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
* Find anything you can buy online, faster
* Fun, entertaining shopping
* 50% to 100% off potentially savings on new items!
* Free credits for referrals!
Never buy online without checking for potential savings at DubLi.com!
pretty good info! I found some good info on the American leadership team – a lot of people seem to ask about the legitimacy of the US DubLi team.
Maybe this will help?
Dean Mannheimer, Phoenix, AZ, DubLi USA Vice President and Master Franchiser, first DubLi USA Rep. “In 28 plus years of being in the direct selling/Network Marketing system this is the first new business model we have seen. To find a model that is consumer-driven, not associate-driven, is a first. To be in a business that can generate true residual income because it actually has a retail customer component is what we have looked for our entire career. Plus, the ability to earn as much money as we have in as short a time as we have been with DubLi, dwarfing anything we have earned in the past, is remarkable. The even better news is we have just started to build the consumer base, which is where the large income stream will come from on a residual basis. DubLi is a company for the New World that is now taking shape.”
Tom Ashlock, MDTom Ashlock, MD, Portland, OR, Founder/President of Lariat Software, started with DubLi towards the end of June, 2008, became a DubLi USA Vice President March, 2009. He owns a software company that does back office software for marketing companies, which is how he found out about DubLi. He signed in through DubLi Europe, since DubLi USA didn’t launch until Oct. 4. He said, “We’ve done software for a lot of MLM companies, and unfortunately, we’ve done software for companies that have been shut down,” leading to his point that he has a very good basis to know in the MLM world what will last and what won’t. He also said that because of his software business, he knows what the revenues are of most MLM companies. He said he’s “never seen a ratio in network marketing anywhere close to DubLi’s 85 to 1 customer-to-distributor ratio.” (That ratio is for Europe – the US is too new to have in place a customer base like that, but give it a few more months …)
Brad DoyleBrad Doyle, Las Vegas, NV, CEO of Business Web Solutions, LLC (BWS), joined DubLi in Dec., 2008. The first major BWS project was the online version of Robert Kiyosaki’s popular board game, Cash Flow 101. Since that time BWS has patented the most successful online game for business and sales organizations, PowerPlay Game, the patent pending iPresenter presentation software, and a web-based membership website with 3000 subscribers. BWS evolved naturally from the Technology Development Group (TDG), formed in March of 1994. Brad was the TDG co-chairman along with Amway COO Tom Eggleston, and with teams from both BWS and Amway Corporation they conceptualized and implemented the Quixtar business model. Brad is also the CEO of 212° Training, LLC, which serves as a consultant to the Direct Selling Industry. Clients include Amway/Quixtar, Univera Life Sciences, AIM International, L’Bri, Arbonne, Shaklee, Global Hot Buys!, Dale Carnegie Training, and Next Level Sales.
Jim Pare’Jim Pare, Frederick, MD, became a DubLi Rep in Dec., 2008 and became a DubLi USA Sales Director March, 2009. He has been in network marketing for 32 years and has developed worldwide marketing organizations of tens of thousands of associates and he has spent many years as a motivational speaker, teacher, trainer to audiences as large as 80,000. In less than 4 months, Jim had more than 1000 reps join his DubLi organization.
John CiniJohn Cini, McLean, VA, joined DubLi in Dec., 2008 and became a DubLi USA Sales Director March, 2009. John spent the beginning of his career at the US Bureau of the Census, where he helped program the data collection software for the 1985 Census of Agriculture. He later setup his own website, technologydoctor.com, which he used to help people solve computer problems. John worked with the same network marketing company for 17 years, building a business that generated more than $20 million in revenue. He reached that company’s “Millionaire’s Circle” in 2002, which you can read about in the company’s Sep. 2003 magazine (PDF). His story was published in the book Your First Year in Network Marketing (by Mark Yarnell, Chapter 3, Dodging the Depression Torpedo, p.75; Prima Publishing, 1998). He trained and managed hundreds of representatives during that time. John has been licensed as a real estate agent, and earned his Series 6, 63, and 65 Securities Licenses. He is a U.S. Army Veteran and Virginia Tech alum.
Someone left all this stuff on a forum, and it looks like they’ve actually found RESOURCES. It’s actually very informative!
I have been looking and hearing about DubLi for the past six months now. I am becoming more convinced they are not a scam.
DubLi Facts I have found when doing research about the company:
1. DubLi is a scam?
DubLi is currently a private company, but before the end of this year, DubLi will be going public. If DubLi was a scam, why in the world would they go public?
Reference: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/MediaN….html?x=0&.v=1
http://www.pressreleasepoint.com/med…rger-agreement retrieved 8-01-09
2. Is DubLi illegal?
DubLi has brought in some of the top lawyers in the country and they concluded there is nothing illegal about DubLi.
Reference: http://www.funshoppingusa.com/dubli_facts.html
3. There location can not be found.
DubLi is opening a new office this month in Florida. This office will be staffed by customer service personal, technical support, marketing, etc.
Reference: http://www.funshoppingusa.com/about_dubli.html
4. DubLi Pratner Program
DubLi has partnered up with many companys and charities. To list a few
Red Cross: Red Cross DubLi Partner
http://www.oc-redcross.org/show.aspx?mi=5107
Jordin Sparks: Jordin Sparks DubLi Partner
http://www.jordinsparkscharities.com/
Girl Scouts: The Girl Scouts DubLi Partner
http://www.boysandgirlsclubauctions.com/
5. The Spin factor web site
I think the site has turned to garbage now and even when the web page first started, most claims made were inaccurate, but this web site did have some interesting responses to the spin factor web site.
Reference: http://www.funshoppingusa.com/dubli_facts.html
See, it’s hard to know what’s true and what comments are just angry accusations from people who spent too much money on these sites.
The “network” is one thing, and I can see where people would get suspicious about an MLM. But when it comes to the shopping itself, it’s legit. It’s all about getting lucky though, and while the lottery isn’t that great a way to get money, a lot of people will enter.
I think it’s statements like this that get dubli in trouble:
DubLi is poised to take their ingenious auction model to unprecedented heights and take a big slice of that e-commerce pie, with the current global recession actually helping! DubLi is not only the world’s first global trading portal – it is a pioneer in the field of reverse auctioning, selling top-level brands at rock-bottom prices; when DubLi takes off, it’ll go stratospheric. Even taking away the enormous savings customers can make shopping on DubLi, the simple fact is that online shopping is fast becoming the most convenient way to shop. Sitting in your own house, you have access to:
* Large selection of goods – from grocery shopping through to buying a house, everything can be bought online.
* 24/7 opening hours – shoppers can shop at their own convenience without restriction
* Time savings – no more sitting around in traffic or queuing to pay
* Goods direct to the doorstep – speedy door-to-door service means the hassle of bringing goods home is eliminated
* Lower prices – DubLi customers can buy for as little as $0.00, or save as much as 90% on the recommended retail prices in more conventional shops
* Increasing confidence with safety of buying online – improved security and familiarity with the concept of online shopping means more people are buying online every day
There is no question that online shopping is revolutionizing the global marketplace. DubLi is in a unique position as the world’s only global trading portal with a revolutionary reverse-auction system. You can join today as a Business Associate to create a very real, financially secure future: the stats say it all – why miss your slice of the internet pie?
It sounds “too good to be true” – not that I think it is at all. I’ve participated in some of the auctions and I’ve made out pretty well. I wouldn’t say that it’s the BEST shopping portal in the world, but it’s totally legitimate.
i agree.
Dubli is a fine way to shop, some of the ads are just a little over zealous and aggressive.
I got a giftcard on dubli for almost half of what it would have cost, and i only spent a few dollars bidding. Good deal to me.
I came on just a few weeks ago and have been going over EVERY detail to the nth degree and the more I research it, the company, concept, compensation as well as where DubLi is heading with ecommerce, I believe DubLi will totally make history and be the most dynamic Internet revolution EVER.
I mean think about all the major giants in their class;
- eBay
- *****stlist
- Youtube
- Google
- Amazon
You know what they all have in common?
1) Their ALL Consumer Driven
2) They ALL Have Hundreds of Millions of Customers
3) Most are Worth 10’s of Billions (eBay alone brought in some 59 Billion last
year)
4) And… They ALL started out… VIRALLY. Someone told someone who told someone and so on.
I can remember Google asking to send a link & invite a friend to try out their new search engine, remember that? YouTube and Yahoo did it too, in fact,
they all did.
Imagine being in at the beginning of ANY ONE of these companies and as
result of you starting a few new threads of business for them; that led to bringing thousands if not millions of new customers to the table. What if they happen to offer you a monthly percentage on ALL of their buying, selling, & advertising activity?
That’s EXACTLLY what is available here with DubLi for those who help bring DubLi to the market place…
DubLi pays you profits of 10% – 24% and then some INDEFENTLY for being the one who started that new thread of customers (ALL OF THEM!)
These are real percentages & real overrides, real money, just for leading people to great values and spreading the word.
I’ll close by saying,
This is NOT your typical “MLM or business opportunity”
- No products to buy
- No lotions, potions, or pills to stock or sell
- No monthly minimums
- No auto ships to maintain
DubLi simply figured out how to make equitable & profitable for EVERYONE, including the customers, now there’s a concept.
So DubLi a scam? Hardly.
“You know what they all have in common?
1) Their ALL Consumer Driven
2) They ALL Have Hundreds of Millions of Customers
3) Most are Worth 10’s of Billions (eBay alone brought in some 59 Billion last
year)
4) And… They ALL started out… VIRALLY. Someone told someone who told someone and so on.”
I thought the same thing. FOr a company that relies heavily on social marketing it makes sense that they would try to spread word about their company virally. The problem with viral is its inevitable spam-like seeming qualities.
For an online shopping company, the marketing makes sense, but makes people suspicious. But if you look at all similar companies, they’ve done it almost the same way
DubLi is great! There’s nothing wrong with dubli auctions. I think someone just got upset when they spent too much money bidding on an item they lost. You gotta be careful bidding! But it’s not that hard.
That’s exactly it, nothingwrong. Someone somewhere along the lines has gotten bitter and has decided it is their mission to ruin dubli. For real, factual information about dubli, check out:
http://www.dublicenter.com
http://www.dubli.org
http://www.dublinetwork.com
Everyone should read the info and know how the company works before getting out of hand and out of control with ridiculous bitterness.
Even though the economy is struggling in some sectors, people are still shopping. They buying electronics, perfumes, brand name items and more. All that and more is sold via DubLi’s online reverse auction system in which prices go down and not up. That’s awesome.
has anyone seen the jordin sparks charity site? There are pictures of her with a dubli check with the CEO. that is obvious to me, jordin sparks wouldn’t be let by her management to associate herself with a scam so publicly.
http://www.jordinsparkscharities.com
this guy has a whole dubli forum, and this is what he had to say:
he first thing I did after I learned about DubLi was call some people I know and show them the site. After I could tell they were really into it, I told them about the money opportunity. The person I called and showed the site to said, “We have to do this!” The next person I called was practically begging me to get them involved. This is no exaggeration. After a few more calls, I had not doubt that this was going to be big. The reactions of others confirmed my own initial impression and excitement.
I am involved with a few different business opportunities. I think they are all great business. However, none of the others get the reaction from people like this one. I have a friend of mine that calls me up every other day or so telling me he can’t sleep because he keeps thinking about the opportunity with DubLi. That says something.
He has a lot of info about DubLi – i saw that forum and he said this too.
“First off, the “completed auctions” is just a subset of the completed auctions on those dates. It doesn’t make sense to list every completed auction. The only truly accurate measure of traffic is the actual server logs where the site resides. The number of searches done on the keyword “DubLi” has been increasing exponentially. This is a better gauge of the buzz being generated in the market.
All of the stuff they are rolling out has the purpose of generating revenue from the customer. In fact, they are going to continue to add potential revenue streams that are consumer driven. This is one of the most well-thought-out business models in this industry ever. Please tell me you are not one of those mlm haters that goes around in circles with the same old weak arguments. I don’t have time for that.
Between my friends and I, we have been able to generate many millions of dollars online and a number of us have multiple successful companies. I would say we have pretty good judgment when it comes to choosing business opportunities. We believe DubLi has a great model. So do many other very successful entrepreneurs.
Personally, I think that calling network marketing companies a scheme just because they can be distributor driven is ignorant. Think about it. If I was going to use a product like the Body Balance supplement as a customer, I would become a distributor in case any of my friends want to get involved. Why not? It could potentially allow me to get mine for free. To not take advantage of that would be pretty dumb on my part. So, I would appear as a distributor, even though, I was really a customer.
The people that use the distributor scheme argument are generally not too bright. This is often what failed distributors use to make themselves feel better. When in reality, the reason they failed is because they don’t understand how to create a successful business. In the social business model, the customers are the distributors. This is the way of the future. Don’t get all hung up on the old way of thinking.
Even the pyramid scheme argument that some people use for mlm companies is an argument that is weak and full of holes. Almost all organizations are pyramid shaped. In fact, network marketing organizations are often the least pyramid shaped of all. Choosing the network marketing model with residual income is one of the smartest business decisions one can make. Most of the top business advisers will tell you the same.”
Yea, there is a lot of info out. there
I think that the pyramid scheme thing just isn’t that relevant when talking about the auctions. Sure that’s relevant when talking about the partner program or business associates – that would be a good time to analyze the business structure. However, for just the shopping it doesn’t apply. I don’t know the business structure of eBay or Amazon, or the people who are directly in charge of the company. However, I DO know that I can purchase items at fairly low prices in a safe way. That;s all i need to know.
DubLi does not work as a traditional auction. Instead it uses a format which means that anyone who makes the lowest unique bid will win. This means that expensive items such as cars can often be purchased for very low prices. The unique thing about DubLi is that users buy their bids.
People spend money to make money.
It’s not like this is some 419 scam with a nigerian. People actually buy products and receive them. All this scam talk is totally overblown.
From what I’ve seen, this controversy doesn’t really even need to exist. Yes, dubli has auctions that people participate in, and yes, it has a business associate/partner program that they OFFER for people who are interested in trying to make money, whether it means they will or not, and that’s all there is to it.
If you’re interested in online shopping, dubli could be great. There is no need to get any more involved than that in the business structure, it’s completely optional.
In Reponse to Mr Borg Svenson
First off I appreciate you responding to my post and I respect your opinion. But I will atempt to clarify and explain my case with facts.
Borg Svenson comment:
Why should people be charged to look at prices? Is that even legal? Go into a store that you can only see the prices if you pay a fee? I wonder why no store does it? Also, Dubli can easily manipulate bids and prices.
My Response:
People are charged to look at prices because it is a reverse auction site. People are also charged to sell items on ebay. paypal charges to collect your own money. The point is you have a choice to bid or not to bid. If you dont like it then simply don’t do it. I will agree that any company manipulate prices because we don’t know what happens on the back end, similar to how there are Ebay programs that can manipulate the auctions. My point is its your choice and WE LIVE IN A FREE MARKET
Borg Svenson comment:
Dubli doesn’t “have” those companies. Dubli is a tin pot company. It doesn’t have anything. It buys products off of real companies and pretends those companies endorse it. If most of them knew they’d sue.
My Comment:
First off show me facts! When I go into the shopping mall at Dubli and I buy somthing at Bestbuy, I am purchasing from best buy I am on the bestbuy site I get all the bestbuy discouts and I get cash back for those purchases. I do all of this for free a customer.
How can you say if these companies knew they would sue? Sue for what, buying somthing from there own site.
Borg Svenson comment:
People don’t save money. The money is spent by others checking prices. If people want something they should save up for it not just rely on 1 in 100 000 luck to get something. That’s gambling, not shopping
My Comment:
What you just stated is not factual. I have personally saved on several items. When I buy something for $50 thats worth $100 that is saving right? It’s luck if I bid and dont have the choice to buy. Its NOT luck if I bid and then click a button and buy the item. Believe me If I bid on an item and dont buy it and someone else does buy it, i’m a big boy, I know I am on a reverse auction site THAT IS MY CHOICE.
Borg Svenson comment:
Ebay is not a scam becuase you aren’t charged to look at prices. Also, there is no scheme for different levels and you don’t have to pay anything to join.
My comment:
Ebay is not a scam I’m not saying they are. But you do have to pay a fee when you sell your own item on the site. And people have been known to drive up there own prices and not send the item. This does not make ebay a scam it just makes those people bad.
Although there may be differnet levels to make more money with dubli this is no different from you having a person getting items at a lower wholesale price to sell on ebay. The difference is I cant get that deal with the wholesaler whereas it is open to everyone to get the same pay structure with dubli and its NOT based on the what I do or who I know.
Lastly:
I noticed that you didnt comment on the fact that the writer of this blog makes money from the google adsense ads. Everytime anyone just clicks on the ad you get paid. Why make money in your quest to save the world from dubli saving people money. Why not just state your opinion without the money making aspect of the site.
With that being said I hope you get the point and I do see what some of you are saying. All I can say I save on the site. I like the reverse auction format and I think people should give it a try.
When you buy a newspaper or, for example auto trader magazine, the publisher takes money from the sellers AND the advertisers AND the publication purchasers to make the publication viable. In fact no one needs to buy the mag to make it viable except for the numbers game where advertisers and advertisers wont use it if no one is thought to buy it. There is also a publication called Trade and Exchange,(and I am sure there are others) where you advertise for free and people buy the magazine to see what is for sale this week. Businesses selling stuff pay but individuals dont. I have spent many dollars just to look. Sometimes I actually find something that I need or just want. I am a shopper. Then I have to go and pick it up or pay to get it delivered just like any other shopping experience. It is a way of life.. a fact of life. If Dublis suppliers prove to be reliable then it is all good, to my mind. Lighten up have some fun.
One other thing. I hate the fact that manufacturers often sell the same product, whether in a jar, can or bottle, with a different label on it, for a different price. People are not informed that it is the same product in the bottle but are happy to pay extra for a poular brand. The brand owner profits unfairly due to the consumers ignorance. Ethics of business should be questioned at every level. Amazon was funded by wealthy people until it started making a profit. This took years. The lesson the Dubli has realised is that if the funds are injected by like minded business people and, sure, a few people are sucked in with no intention to “do” the business, then many people can share a small burden for a calculated risk, and a few elite individuals need not be zillions of dollars in debt. The faith that investors had in Amazon, that it would work, is a lesson in human endurance and trust.
Sorry, I am waffling but enjoying the debate. It is not just about Dubli it is about human nature and life. Lets all sign off and get on with ours.
I don’t think the company is a scam nor do I think it is unethical if I did I would not have chosen to do this great plan to have an online store now I can understand if you think it’s gambling then don’t get involved. Now I can appreciate those who do think it’s gambling and stick to their guns that’s fine too. Now what you must remember everyone has their own choices to make. I don’t know what your ethics are but you don’t make your points by condemning a person. To be a scam the company wouldn’t deliver on what they propose and my experience has shown they have come through with what they say. Maybe not as fast as even I would like them to but they come through and continue to do so.
Now if you can show me how it is gambling I would consider your position, also show me that the law of the land recognizes the auctions as gambling. The ball is in your court.
The Full Article is at TruthAboutDubli.com
The Law Plus Facts, Hopefully This Ends This Stupid Debate!
Is DubLi Gambling Or Legal?
Can any of the three Dubli online auctions be considered a gambling enterprise? Do any of them violate U.S. state or federal laws against lotteries, raffles, or similar forms of gambling? What can be done to minimize any such liability?
Gambling generally. In order for a given transaction to be identified as gambling, three distinct elements must be present together consideration, chance, and prize.
1. Consideration: in contract law generally, the term “considerationmay mean practically anything of value, including giving up the right to some future act or obligation. In American gambling law, however, consideration means money. This money must be risked- that is, the player gets nothing else for his money but the opportunity to win a prize , determined by chance. Just as importantly he stands to lose that money permanently for no gain, goods, or service in return.
A. Standard auction model: in a traditional auction,“consideration” in the gambling sense does not exist. The highest bidder gains the right to buy the item(s) on offer. So long as he can actually pay, the matter is resolved. The same is obviously true of the” ordinary” reverse auction
B. Dubli models: on the one hand, a participant expends one credit merely for the chance to check the price. From this point of view it may be said that he is not actually purchasing any chances to buy. On the other hand, each time the price of the item on offer is checked in the “Xpress”and “Zero” models, the act of checking forces the pricedown $.25. In the ““Unique Bid”, a participant must also expend one credit to make his bid. In that sense, and because credits once utilized to make a bid or price check are not refunded, it is clear that participants purchase the means to affect , or least enter, the contest. Therefore I conclude that the element of consideration is present in all versions of the Dubli online reverse actions.
2. Chance: there is some element of chance in everything human beings do. For the purposes of U.S. gambling law, however, “chance” means that a given event is resolved, in regard to all participants at the time, by a common random occurrence which is not under the control of any participant. To give an example, if John and Joe play chess against each other, the element of chance is minimized if not eliminated. All things being equal, the game will be won by the player with the most knowledge of the game and the best moves. Chess is a skill game. But if, one the other hand, they both purchase a lottery ticket, skill has nothing todo with the outcome. Either a given number is picked or it isn’t. This is pure chance.
A. Additionally it makes a large difference whether the bettor is a participant. To take the chess example above, it is not gambling if John and Joe agree that the loser of the chess games must pay the winner $10. The conduct of game isunder the control of the two participants. However, if two onlookers, Sarah and Sue, bet on which man will win the chess game, that is gambling, because the outcome of the game is not under the control of either woman.
B. In the case of Dubli, the element of chance does not rise to the level required to categorize the activity as “gambling”.
In the “Xpress” and “Zero” models, the resolution of the event is not dependent upon some random occurrence, but only on the conduct of the participants. The price of a given item on offer is decreased only by the actions of the participants. If, for some reason, none of the participants decided to check/decrease the price of the item, that price would remain static unless and until one or more of the participants chose to act. In fact, if no one chooses to bid on a given item, nothing happens at all.
“Unique Bid” is very much in the same vein. That is, a participant’s success in placing a “unique bid” does not depend on anything outside the efforts ofthe respective participants. Two or more participants may offer bids at the same price, but this is not caused by any random agency. This coincidence (once again, barring collusion) would be the result of the respective participants’ independent decisions, just as various runners’ independent decisions to runa little faster or hold back in a race may lead to different- but not random- results.
For this reason I conclude that the element of chance, as understood in American gambling law , is minimal to nonexistent. While the outcome of any given reverse auction is not solely under the control of any one participant, the actions of the respective participants are the only inputs to the final result. There is no random dispositive influence acting outside participatory control.
3. Prize: the definition of “prize” is essentially anything of value.Since obtaining valuable items such as iPods at a reduced price is the whole point of participating in Dubli’s reverse auctions, the element of price is obviously present.
4. I conclude that since the element of chance, as understood in gambling law, is not present in the Dubli auctions, these auctions cannot be considered either games of chance or lotteries.
U.S. State Laws :
1. Gambling : Once we have established that Dubli is not a lottery, the gambling laws of most states are not longer a worry. But not all states: even playing games of skill online may be illegal in Illinois and Iowa (720 ILCS 5-28-1(a) 12 and ISC 725.5, respectively). In addition, eight states outlaw Internet gambling ( except , of course, what they themselves choose to license). They would have to stretch a point to call Dubli an Internet game of chance; further, there is no indication of any particular benefit in doing so. [Note: the text of each State law cited in this discussion is provided in APPENDIX A.] Most importantly, since the reverse auction is neither a sporting contest, a lottery, nor a game of chance, I conclude that Dubli has nothing to fear from state gambling laws and is not gambling.
2. Need for an identified auctioneer ? At least twenty-eight states,however, require a license for an auction to be conducted.[ See TABLE I]. Some require it at state level, some at county or city level; others differentiate by what is being sold ( real estate, autos, livestock). Some require large bonds to be posted and personal background checks to be conducted as well. While the purpose behind these laws is clear enough, the prevention of fraud, in many states this has become a means to restrict competition and protect the “home market” from other auctions and auctioneers.
3. Is it conceivable that Dubli might be subject to an injunction or lawsuit for conducting auctions without a license issued by the state or municipality where a certain bidder lives? This brings us to the question of jurisdiction and the Internet. Does the transaction take place where the bidder is, and therefore, under the jurisdiction of the bidder’s home state? Or does it take place at the server of the Internet establishment? There is no American law, as far as gambling, which states this, and the case precedent is sparse and unsatisfactory.\
Federal law:
Gambling laws : generally speaking, U.S. Federal anti-gambling laws are activated when state gambling laws are broken. Since we have established that state gambling violations are not on the cards, Dubli therefore need not be concerned about violating U.S.Federal gambling law.
Auctions: Auctions, as a form of sale, are governed by at the state level by commerce laws. Those auctions which allow bids across state lines come under the Federal Trade Commission, which is mainly concerned that the advertising for such auctions is truthful, and that the items sold correspond to their descriptions. Those conditions being satisfied, there is little further cause for concern. There is no such thing as a national auction license.
Conclusion and Recommendations
Dubli’s reverse auctions are obviously NOT gambling games, and DO NOT constitute a game of chance nor a lottery as far as the terms are defined in American state and Federal law.
Finally, there is the matter of “ image”: since gambling is supposed to be a social harm, associating with socially desirable goals is very good preventive medicine. Dubli’s charity-only auction is a very good example of this, and this should be a continuing standard practice, expanded where practicable.
The Full Article is at TruthAboutDubli.com
I just read an article about a the guy who won the $25k 2009 Harley Davidson on the Unique bid auction for $4700. I saw several people posting how they were bidding on that bike. The price he won this bike for is amazing. Even if you dont like the site you have to admit that is a great deal. He’s also won a $2000 travel voucher for $286, An apple $367 Ipod for $130, you can read the whole article at the link below written by the guy himself.
Before anyone gets confused any further,
The directions are on the site…
Read them carefully…is it gambling?
They are games…
Save some money on the Mall, or at one of your fav, restaurants. Take one of the dollars you just saved and have fun don’t spend a ton, just a few dollars a month. Just like walking out of wal-Mart and spitting a dollar into one of those silly things that never grab the stuffed animal you want, but this is light years beyond that silly idea.(LOL I hate when my kids insist we waste their dollar there, probably because I hate to shop, and want to get home, then compassion kicks in, and I love seeing the excitement.
The 2 DubLi games are kind of like a raffle ticket. I see it all the time at the county fair.
Money comes and goes…its people who are important. If we cannot be happy without money how are we going to be happy with it? Think about this: “those who consider the needs of others will never be in need”.
DubLi is simply an emerging worldwide portal whose business model is to inspire the human dynamics of getting good deals, saving money, maybe winning something they would never have been able to buy. They continue adding layer after layer of value and fun. DubLi knows that, and most who read this, and get that, know that too.
Everyone knows people do not spend more at DubLi than they would anywhere else…it is the exact opposite (unless their 2 year old gets a hold of the computer when you are sleeping and keeps hitting the “check price” button…lol) Dubli credits are valuable, and need to be used wisely.
It is hands down a brilliant idea, and people who insist in not benefiting from it are free to do so.
We are seeing only a small percentage as they roll out the other parts to come.
I am glad I was not an investor in Amazon.com….I would have bailed after not turning a profit for 6 years!
here is one report:
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Amazoncom-Inc-Company-History.html
“Sometimes CRITICIZED for its focus on market share over profits, Amazon.com put investor fears to rest when it secured its first net profit during the fourth quarter of 2001.”
How about being an amazon.com Business associate?
“As Amazon.com ventured into 1998, the company continued to grow. By February, the Associates program had reached 30,000 members, who now earned up to 15 percent for recommending and selling books from their web sites. Four months later, the number of Associates had doubled to 60,000.”
Associates program?
Boy I wish I knew about that back when Amazon was in their formulation stage…When people were second guessing the biz model.
That’s OK I know about the DubLi associate program.
We live and we learn…
If you don’t want to pay to check a price then don’t go to your local store. Don’t go to Costco. And don’t buy anything that used advertising to get the word out. By the way you spend 80 cents to get the guaranteed lowest price…..period! (If you happened to buy the credit in the first place, since DubLi will always give free credits by referring friends.)
This site is no more than a pesky pimple that pops up and goes away…the gross misrepresentations and misunderstandings asserted like they were from the authority on “scams” is now becoming evidence of the eventual collapse of what (some) people used to consider a reputable site.
Most people never paid much attention to this site anyway because of the bitter and driven overtones pounding an awesome company. Obvious symptoms of “spin”
No time to waste here but the public offering is here.
Refer to Jason’s post that was ignored earlier.
What this really means to us is that all the garbage accusations about DubLi are now officially, and embarrassingly for the accusers, null and void. When someone asks, “Is this company legit?” or “What about those negative sites?” or “Is DubLi a money-laundering organization?”, we can calmly laugh and say, “Don’t worry – DubLi just became publicly traded and is now fully-transparent.”
The only way people would lose money is if they just sat there and kept clicking for no apparent reason. and not use the credit as a valuable tool to have access to the lower price.
Of course if someone did not read, or listen to the directions, and wasted their credits they might come here and call Dubli names as well.
Wow! I can’t believe anyone who had first hand experience with DubLi would see them as a scam. What a surprise. I know scams as I’ve been taken before. It’s no fun. But with DubLi I’ve been involved for over a year now. Made good money with little effort. Acquired great products at a VERY GOOD price. Met a lot of nice people and I’ve NEVER heard a bad thing about DubLi from any member who had first hand experience.
I personally know a number of people who have purchased items auctionedon the DubLi site. One in particular just won a brand new $32,000 Ford Mustang Convertible for $825.00 in the ‘Unique Bid’ auction. She picked her new car up at a local dealer less than five miles from her house. Another woman I know got a 42″ plasma screen TV for $240.00 — another guy got a $2,500 travel voucher for $250.00 — there are many more examples of the incredible savings people I personally know have experienced in DubLi’s reverse auctions. That is not including all the savings available through the ‘virtual mall’ shopping portal of the site. This site is real, vital, and gaining momentum as we speak. The key to it’s success is customer satisfacton and there are many happy customers who are referring their friends which is the way DubLi’s customer base is growing — through a viral marketing ‘word-of-mouth’ vehicle fueled by the Internet — much like how Facebook and MySpace grew. The difference with DubLi is when you are a registered customer and you refer others to the site via the ‘tell a friend’ link — you get free bid credits for the auctions. There is absoutely no ’scam’ on the customer side of this. From the business perspective, Business Associates of DubLi are not being ’scammed’ and this is not a pyramid scheme. The focus is customer acquistion — Business Associates telling others about the site. If they want to bring others in to build a team of people doing this they can and it will result in higher commissions but the majority of the money they are earning is based on the customer side — not on bringing in more Business Associates. Therefore, you can become a DubLi Business Associate and never bring one person in under you — just get the word out about the site and get more people to register as customers (at no cost) and start buying credits to use in the auctions. It’s really a very simple business model and this is a corporation that has implemented one small aspect of the network marketing business model as a means to acquire customers and get the word out about the site. The opted to go this route versus traditional advertising methods that are becoming less effective as people TIVO through commercials and newspapers are shutting down. DubLi Business Associates are merely the company’s marketing department to build a customer base. It costs millions of dollars to promote and advertise a business – especially a new one. DubLi opted to allocate those funds to Business Associates who bring them their customer base — it’s that simple. No hidden agendas and not rocket science — they are just capitalizing on the power of ‘word-of-mouth’ and the Internet — something many companies have embraced. So, you can talk all the smack you want about this company — there are always ‘naysayers’ — I’m sure eBay and Google encountered the same when they launched. However, the evidence of success lies in those happy customers who are quick to tell their friends about the amazing deals they have found at DubLi — THAT is what will catapult this company’s evolution and position as an ecommerce giant.
Online auctions can become not only something very effective and useful in your life, but also something very addictive! Once you know the ins and outs of the online auction you will be hooked and savvy to boot! There are many online auction websites now that are simple and easy to use.
Online auctions are wonderful for a variety of reasons and they are painfully simple. Do you have an item you would like to sell? All you need to do is place a detailed description of the item with pictures and watch the auction fly! Once someone wins the item, they pay you and you ship it to them – easy peasy! Most auction sites charge a small fee, but it’s really nothing compared to the fun you have with these auctions. Make sure you know how much shipping is before you put the auction up so you know how much to charge and don’t get ripped off when payment comes around.
Buying is also very fun. Online auctions contain hard to find items and regular items at lower prices. Don’t have money for a new Zune? Online auctions sell the products at wholesale or they sell them used. You can easily buy a soon for a cheap price! Online auctions are also wonderful for those rare, hard to find and one of a kind. Some websites are even devoted to handmade crafts and things that you cannot find at any retail shop.
Perhaps the only downside to online auctions is self control! It is a rush when you go to bid on something and you watch that countdown begin to retail glory. Just be careful not to outbid yourself or spend too much on something. Remember, you will have to pay for shipping also.
Also, check the seller’s stats to make sure they are a legitimate seller and they have good feedback. Someone with a low rating or many negatives is a potential for disaster and could result in you not getting the goods you won. Most auction sites are good with that and will make sure you get your money back, but research is key and know who you are buying from.
If done right, online auctions can be fun, addictive and profitable. You can create how you want to buy and sell and could make some good money in the process. Remember to be smart, have fun and let the bidding begin!
DubLi is definitely safe. I haven’t had any trouble with it. I don’t know what everyone is so confused about!
I know, safe. I haven’t either. People keep getting SO caught up in the whole MLM thing. So it’s got a business model. Forget it.
Amazon DEFINITELY has “associates” too. That’s just how these online shopping sites work. DubLi is great for auctions. Bottom Line.
thanks emilew! I noticed the same thing. There has been news lately too about all those amazon associates and social media too. So I’m sure people were sketched out by that in the beginning too. Now no one seems to care.
Speaking of amazon associates. People have been making a TON of money through affiliate marketing for a long time. DubLi is similiar, right?
Affiliate Marketing is an Internet-based marketing practice where a business rewards one or more affiliates for each visitor or customer brought about by the affiliate’s marketing efforts. It’s an application of crowdsourcing.
Affiliate marketing overlaps with other Internet marketing methods to some degree, because affiliates often use regular advertising methods. Those methods include organic search engine optimization, paid search engine marketing, e-mail marketing, and in some sense display advertising. On the other hand, affiliates sometimes use less orthodox techniques, such as publishing reviews of products or services offered by a partner.
So where DubLi has business associates who have their own DubLi stores, those associates have to get customers to come to their particular store in order to make a revenue. But yes, DubLi is basically using affiliates it appears to get traffic to their stores.
Does this answer your question?
Mostly. You don’t have to be an affiliate to buy stuff on the website though, right?
Right.
All the info on their associate program is at http://www.dublinetwork.com.
I get the DubLi newsletter and wanted to pass this on.
Backstreet Boys Concert, 2 VIP Tickets Plus Accommodation + Flights
In this top auction, we are featuring two VIP Diamond Laminate tickets for a Backstreet Boys concert in Copenhagen, Denmark! With these tickets, you will be closer to the BSB than you have ever been before, since you get the unique chance to be on the side stage! This concert at the Valby Hallen is completely sold out, which means our tickets are of extreme value!
For more than 16 years, the BSB have delivered the very finest pop music has to offer including songs like “Quit Playing Games”, “Straight Through My Heart”, or “Incomplete”. Over the years, they sold 100 million albums making them the “best-selling boy band” ever and placing them among the most successful musicians in the world. And their success goes on and on: Nick Carter, Howie Dorough, Brian Littrell, and AJ McLean have just released their seventh Album “This Is Us”.
See the Backstreet Boys live at the Valby Hallen in Copenhagen, Denmark on December 8, 2009! The awardee will receive two VIP Diamond Laminate tickets with guaranteed first five rows seating and the possibility to watch one song from the side stage and 24-month access to the BSB fan club. Besides, we will assume your travel expenses to attend the concert in Copenhagen, i.e. your flights and accommodation! You and a person of your choice might stay, for example, at Hotel Rossini, which is located near the concert venue. With the VIP Diamond Laminate tickets and your travel costs, this means a total auction value of about $3,800!
Denmark is a Scandinavian country in Northern Europe which is worthwhile visiting because of its natural and cultural beauty. With more than 400 islands and more than 4,500 miles of coastline, Denmark offers sandy beaches, which literally invite you to take a quiet stroll or to enjoy all kinds of water sports. Denmark, whose inhabitants rank among the happiest and wealthiest people in the world, also offers many architectural and historical monuments in its charming cities, with Denmark’s vibrating capital Copenhagen as the most famous one.
Includes
2x VIP Diamond Laminate tickets for the BSB concert at the Valby Hallen in Copenhagen, Denmark on December 8, 2009
guaranteed first five row seating
watch one song from the side stage
24-month access to the BSB fan club
contact number for the on-site VIP concierge
we will assume your travel expenses to attend the concert, i.e. your flights and accommodation
Details
these tickets are taken directly from BSB’s personal allotment
VIP concierge will meet the fans at the venue, give them special credentials and discuss the day’s events
hmm Backstreet Boys. Interesting. I didn’t know they were still around. Didn’t that one guy host the awful karaoke show?
He did!!! haha OMG i want to get BSB tickets from DubLi. Random. Pretty funny that they’re performing in Denmark these days. Maybe everyone in the US moved on.
DubLi started overseas, though. Its not that random. If you look at the history of dubli, it started over in Germany or something and came to America just this year. There has been news about it in Australia and NZ too, so maybe they’re expanding.
Some of these purported “scam” forums have even accused DubLi and other companies like it of being nothing but a gambling entity. So should this include eBay, because essentially every time you bid on an item on eBay, you are gambling? However, the government authorities in the United States would laugh at this accusation, as if DubLi was a gambling entity, it would be under intense scrutiny at all times and shut down if not operating in accordance with national laws.
Nearly all accusations against DubLi are subsequently retraced, and the origin of the defamation is never truly tracked and punished. In fact, it isn’t necessary. DubLi is a legitimate business like any other in the country, and as such has obtained and maintains all necessary licenses, insurances, and certifications. Any person who cares to perform legitimate research can determine this in a matter of minutes with a few simple searches. While this might not be as entertaining as the dramatic forums of supposed scam links, it is an honest and much more useful approach to obtaining information.
Ha! The Backstreet Boys. At least its something that will make DubLi maybe look a little more legitimate, when someone actually gets to go to that concert.
I get that newsletter too and was about to post about it. Maybe if they could get some partnership with the backstreet boys like they do with jordin sparks, people would trust them. Although, all those pictures with Jordin sparks still seem to escape people -they act like jordin doesn’t even know that DubLi exists. Her real twitter retweeted DubLi even!
I KNOW! I’ve seen that too! They say that Jordin Sparks is in no way involved?? Then WHAT are those pictures of her with the CEO? Hah!
Sure, maybe she doesn’t run the online store in her spare time, but she has obviously partnered with DubLi here. It’s legit.
There are actually a lot of charity dubli sites. There’s even one for this counterstirke team of girls overseas. These charity sites aren’t scams too, and sure, they don’t make a TON of money, but no one ridicules other charitable organizations when they don’t make the kind of money they wish they did.
Eighty-five percent of Internet users are also Internet shoppers, according to a new survey, “The Interactive Consumer: Charting the Online Shopping Revolution,” commissioned by Parade Magazine.
New data from Forrester Research also shows that people are moving from surfing the Web to shopping online at a faster pace than ever before.
“Prophets of doom have found their 15 minutes of fame proclaiming that the Internet destroys community, literacy, self-esteem, and families,” added Forrester’s Patrick Callinan. “An objective analysis of age, media consumption, personality, and lifestyle revealed that on average, online people are more extroverted and have a stronger self-perception than do their offline counterparts.”
Online shopping is on the rise and appears to be an unstoppable force in any type of economy. Initially, this space was dominated by giant players like eBay and Amazon. But more and more players are entering into the eCommerce marketplace. In general, there are 2 types of eCommerce on the Internet. The first type involves direct selling. Amazon is the prime example. The second type, which is a more interesting model, is the auction model – eBay being the most well known among consumers.
A new major player in the marketplace, by the name of Dubli.com will give both eBay and Amazon real competition. Their unique business model incorporates direct selling and a twist on the traditional auction site model. Customers are flocking to Dubli.com to save money on everyday purchases as well as luxury items. In this article we will take a look at just one small part of Dubli.com business model. They have 3 types of auctions and there are several different ways to bid on an item.
1) Xpress bidding.
This model allows the bidder to buy when the price is right. The selling price, instead of starting from the lowest, starts from the highest. Every time some clicks on “Show Price”, the price drops down by 25 cents. If the price is right, just buy the item. Each time the “Show Price” button is clicked, there is a cost of 80 cents.
2) ZerO,- bidding.
Again, the selling price starts from the highest. But in this bidding system, you can’t buy the product even if the price is right. You have to be the last bidder to click on “Show Price”. Each click costs the usual 80 cents, and if you are the last bidder, the product is yours. This system makes it more difficult for a consumer to get their hands on a product. But if they do win the auction, they walk away with the item for just a few bids of 80 cents.
3 Unique bidding.
The name says it all – the one with the lowest unique bid wins the auction. There are 2 criteria here that must be satisfied. First, the bid must be the lowest. That means no one else enter a bid that is lower than yours. Secondly, you must be the unique bidder. In other words, there cannot be someone else bidding the same amount as you.
Consumers are already warming up to these new bidding systems as they stand a chance to walk away with some really attractive items for a fraction of the retail price. The growth of the site is given a further boost by its army of associates in the Dubli Network.
The role of the Dubli business associate is to bring customers to Dubli. The revenues generated by this pool of customers are then shared among members of the network. This gives members a chance to create a stream of recurring income. Early Dubli business associates could see viral growth of their customer base as high as 5x during Dubli first year in the US. Ten to Twenty initial customers could grow to several thousand with no effort on the part of the Dubli Network business associate. To discover how this is possible, simply visit Dubli.com
This is a SHAM.
I can’t believe that this site even EXISTS. HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE THIS? It’s copy and pasted COMMENTS from other sites. Don’t bother reading ANY of this.
can anyone respond to the rumor that Dubli was created simply to attract the interest of ebay to buy it out? I’ve heard that the top execs of Dubli own all the shares and are waiting for ebay’s offer. It seems a lot of people think that ebay will buy dubli with its loose change and then close it down. If the rumor is true how do I buy shares?
wait. why would someone leave a comment with the CEO’s name asking about dubli information? isn’t that a little strange? Don’t you think Michael Hansen would know about that?
LOL that would be hilarious if dubli just wanted to create itself in order to get bought out by ebay. You know what – if it works, more power to them, poor fools.
According to sources such as http://www.funshoppingusa.com and others, DubLi has now become a public company. DubLi and MediaNet Technologies Ground Inc. have merged together making DubLi now a public company. With DubLi becoming public, over time this should allow more trust with the people. This is a big mile stone for DubLi. DubLi also has big plans for the 2010 year such as opening there new 10,000 sq ft office on March 1st, 2010. DubLi also plans to open the Global Reverse Auctions platform on March 1st, 2010. When the reverse auctions platform opens, prices on dubli reverse auctions will drop at a much faster rate then now. DubLi plans to introduce a new banking system similar to Paypal in 2010. Exciting times for DubLi. Go DubLi
I’m not really sure if Dubli Networks is a true or not. It seems that it is a bit better than Ebay. In fact, I don’t even use Ebay any more. At one point in time, that is all that I did use but now it seems that every seller has some type of store and no one is really trying to reseller their own original stuff. Is there anything on there that can actually be considered “rare” or “unique”. The titles in the listings might say “rare” but when you click on the store, you can find multiple listing of the same “rare” items….rather silly to me. At least when I was checking out a Dubli site, the products are new and not claiming to be something they are not.
As for the concept of someone trying to make money, well, the idea of instantly becoming rich is extremely far fetched. Anyone that thinks they can become rich overnight or without hard work, it mostly likely going to think that Dubli and any other company similar to Dubli are bogus. So I not really choosing sides here, I think people just need to read the fine print and truly understand ALL the rules. I
It is pretty confusing, but I don’t think it’s a scam. Probably just a poorly designed business model or method for communicating with customers. People get really pissed off when stores or companies promise all these great things and are less than they say they’re going to be, but if they were more accessible to the customers, they might be more forgiving. That’s probably why all those crazy spammy sites exist ranting about Dubli – if the company itself isn’t listening I guess they want to find someone who will, and there are TONS of conspiracy theory folks out there who would love to make something of it.
It seems that people, including value seekers, are having trouble understanding exactly what Dubli.com has to offer, so it would appear as though an explanation is in order.
First, Dubli is a company that offers reverse auctions online on items that people actually want. These items include X-Box 360s, Playstation 3s, iPods, digital cameras, and many other high quality electronics that can be difficult to find and even more difficult to afford. These items are then distributed to people in two different auction formats called Xpress, and Unique Bid. There are some major differences between these types of bids, so make sure that you follow along closely as these are explained.
Both Xpress and Unique Bid call for users to purchase credits in order to take advantage of the great deals. These credits are mandatory to reveal a price or place a bid and can be purchases for 80 cents each. You can purchase them in large packages, so you will not have to worry about constantly refilling your credits whenever you wish to place a bid. Keep in mind that these credits cannot be refunded once they have been purchased, so do not purchase too many if you are simply trying the system out because you will eventually have to use them or they will be a waste.
In the Xpress auction, every time a user decides to check the price of an item, one credit is used. This will also drive the auction’s price down by 25 cents, which is what happens whenever a price is checked using these credits. This is a reverse auction, so the price drops lower and lower until eventually someone presses the buy now button. In an Xpress auction, the product can be purchased by anyone who checks the price once it reaches an amount that the person feels comfortable paying. For example, if you check the price of an X-Box 360 and find that it is currently priced at $100, it might be a good idea to cash out and purchase it because that price is far below market value. In order to make this purchase, you must click on the buy now button and pay for it using your credit card. This is a great way to find a good deal on electronics and other luxury items, but you have to act quickly because other people will have the same access to these products and can purchase them at any time.
The Unique Bid auction is another unique way to conduct a live auction. Every participant is asked to place a bid on the product during a set period of time and the person with the lowest unique bid wins the item. Every bid that is placed will cost one credit, but keep in mind that if someone else comes up with the same bid, both bids are invalidated. Therefore, there is a lot of strategy involved because you must pick a number that no one else has already selected and have it be a low number as well. Participants are informed in the Member Area of their DubLi.com account if someone else selects the same amount as them, so they will be able to select a new bid number before the auction closes. You are able to place multiple bids at any time except for the final five minutes, at which point only one bid can be placed at a time.
The final service that is offered by Dubli is an online shopping mall, where products can be purchased for far below retail value. There are over 1000 different stores to be found in this mall and the discounts are endless for all Dubli customers. Whether you are searching for clothing or electronics, this is the place to go for a deal and is one of the many reasons why Dubli is becoming so popular all over the world.
I have been engaged with DubLi for exactly one year. The DubLi business model is so much more than any of the comments listed above realize. First of all DubLi is not an MLM company, yes it looks like an mlm at first glance. However, the only component of the model that even resembles an mlm is the build out of the sales organization, which is an absolute necessity when you consider that over 90% of the 200 Bullion emails sent on a daily basis are “SPAM”. Yes that is correct, over 90% of the 200 billion emails sent on a daily basis are spam.
What does that have to do with DubLi; it has everything to do with DubLi! In the old economy (pre-internet) a new business would have to budget millions of dollars in TV, radio, magazine and newspaper ads in order to get it’s message out to it’s potential customer base. In the new era of advertising the smart companies are utilizing the social networking tsunami that is literally sweeping the world. Want some concrete examples: YouTube, Facebook, Myspace, Twitter are probably the most obvious examples that come to mind. And each one of these companies grew without spending one single dime on traditional advertising.
They all grew via the most powerful and significant development to human kind – Viral Marketing. Viral marketing has forever changed the world of business. It will never be the same Because of fb,twitter and the rest, our social networks determine the latest and greatest trends, fades and products etc. 6 Degrees of Separation has never been truer than today.
That being said, DubLi requires some explanation because it is breaking new ground. It takes a little more to get your arms around how the reverse auctions work from the vantage point of the customer. And that remains our biggest challenge today and for the next 12 to 18 months. Someone has to demonstrate to the customer, one on one, how the auctions work, what role the credits play and what makes the prices go down. Its counter-INTUITIVE!!!
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